(Ch. 17) The creature argues to Victor that he needs a companion. He blames all of his evil actions on the fact that he was lonely. The monster thinks its his right to have a companion. Victor refuses, but the monster tells Victor that it is his responsibility as the creator to make him a woman. The monster promises Victor that he will take himself and the bride away to South America to hide from people. He says that if he has a companion that he will not be angry any more and wont kill anybody anymore. So Victor finally gives in to creating the bride of the monster.
I dont think that this argument is reasonable because he is not sure if the monster will stay true or not. I don't think that by getting a woman that he will stop from his old ways. I think that if Victor is hesitant at all and double thinks things that he shouldn't do it. Because he doesn't believe 100 percent that he can believe the monster.
Like Max said, the monster yearns for a companion because he is lonely and society will not accept him. He states that this is the reason for all his anger and having a bride will make all of that go away.
I think that the argument is reasonable because what the monster says is true, if he had gained a friend in the first place no one would have been killed, but everyone looked at him with disgust (except for the little girl), including Victor, his creator. Victor could have avoided trouble and despair if he had just created the bride.
The creature argues that Victor should create him a bride using gentle, non-violent reasoning. The creature is a very good speaker, because he seems to sense Victor's apprehensions and then dismiss them with assurances of his own. He says he desires a companion because "man would not associate with [him]" but "one as deformed and horrible as myself would not deny herself to me" He tells Victor that it is his duty as a creator to make a companion for him, and that he will return his benevolence "a hundred-fold." He begs Victor to "let him feel gratitude to [him] for one benefit"
I believe this argue is incredibly reasonable! If anything, I think the creature would actually have the right to be angry with Victor, but instead he calmly reasons with him. I think that as a creator/parent, Victor has the responsibility of companionship and guidance for the creature, but if he refuses to fulfill those responsibilities, the least he could do is provide a "replacement" companion for his creation.
The monster states that he is only "malicious because I am miserable" (129) and this is easily going back to the fact that he is not able to find any of man kind that is willing to be his companion, not even his creator is willing to give him love and acceptance despite his hideous figure, and he knows this because he himself states "you, my creator, would tear me to pieces and triumph." (129)
The monster uses the fact of his "innocence" when explaining his argument to Victor, stating that he would easily love and care for a human if they were only to love and care for him in return; the monster relates to Victor that he would happily take care of a man that would offer him the same respect.
He reasons with the fact that with his companion being built he will no longer be a menace to society, stating, "for that one creature's sake I would make peace with the whole kind!"
His argument is reasonable and that Victor should deny at least this small happiness to his creation would be cruel. Victor owes the monster at least this last bit of happiness, for Victor was the one who created him and turned him away.
I agree with what Hieu and Max said that the creature does have a valid argument for Victor to create a bride for the creature. The creature views every wrong that he has committed is due to his isolation and rejection by mankind. I think that it is a valid request by the creature to ask for a bride because this would end the isolation that has been forced on the creature. This argument is so reasonable because Victor did bring this creature into the world, and it was Victor's responsibility to care for the creature. Instead Victor rejected his own creation and because of this the creature's isolation began. Because Victor did not take responsibility for his creation it is perfectly reasonable for him to make a companion for his creation.
While there is some validity in what the creature gives as reason for a wife, I tend to side with Victor. There seems to be better reasoning for the negative on this one. While the monster did have good intentions (and very might well have complied with his promise), there was no telling how the new creature would cope or react to the world around it. So, to an extent I agree with what everyone has said above, but I don't think we should discredit what Victor has to say. In some ways, it is more credible.
I believe that he does a valid argument, because then he would have someone that is in his same liking and that would care for him and relate to him, since no one else has ever been able to be that for him. Victor created a lonely monster, it's his responsibility to care for him. Just as a parent should care for their children. Although, having two of Victor's creatures on the loose could cause more problems than just one. Victor can't take the responsibility for that, so it's understandable also.
I would have to agree that there is no telling for sure that the monster is being honest. There obviously is a sense of urgency for the monster to have a spouse. The real issue is that another monster would be a negative thing. There is no way for sure to say that the monster will not go back on his word. While it may be believable that a spouse would satisfy the needs of the monster this is still rickety. Taking a logical bearing on it draws a few conclusions. The first is that this is a very valid argument because it is a logical idea. Lastly, a spouse seems to be one that would be able to satisfy the needs of the monster because that’s what he wants. The problem is that we cannot believe the creature because he has given us no reason to believe him. Thus this argument is not a reasonable one because there is no guarantee that the irrational creature will do what it says.
I agree with what Hieu said in his earlier post but I also agree with Ashlyn’s side of it. The creature did feel isolated and lonely and a partner like him would be nice and give him a companion to live with. However, I believe that Victor was right on this one. He had no clue what the new monster was going to do in reaction to being born into this world. Also he didn’t know how the new creature would react to the same negative remarks and attitudes of society and whether or not she would kill more and more people just as the original creature had done.
The creature had been completely isolated, shunned and scorned by human society. He was left to wander the land with not even one companion to accompany him during his lonely travels. This is why he is in such desperate need of partner just like him, which is why he asks Victor to create a new counterpart by saying, "You must create a female for me with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being (134)." The creature longs to share a deep connection with a being similar to his own, just as much as a normal person from society would want from their companions.
I think that his argument is a valid one. Why should he not wish for a companion after he had been cast out and shunned by every living being? All he has seen through his life is humans interacting with one another, loving each other, caring for each other, and living with each other. However when a human sees him, they either run and hide, or violently attack him. He wants happiness similar to that which he sees in others. He believes that the only thing that will bring him this happiness is a companion. He states on chapter 17, page 135, “This passion is detrimental to me, for you do not reflect that you are the cause of its excess. If any being felt emotions of benevolence towards me, I should return them a hundred and a hundred-fold; for that one creature’s sake I would make peace with the whole kind!” Since he was willing to reason with Victor and give him a solution to how they could all be happy, I think that this was pretty valid. Also in chapter 15 on page 120, it states, “The poor that stopped at their door were never driven away. I asked, it is true, for greater treasures than a little food or rest: I required kindness and sympathy; but I did not believe myself utterly unworthy of it.” This statement makes a point, there is no reason why the creature should be deprived of kindness from another being. On the other hand, I also kind of think that the creature's request was a little bit naive. He gives many promises, but he does not know how everything is going to play out when he does get what he wants. In chapter 20, on page 155, Victor states, "He had sworn to quit the neighborhood of man and hide himself in the deserts, but she had not; and she, who in all probability was to become a thinking and reasoning animal, might refuse to comply with a compact made before her creation. They might even hate each other... she might quit him, and he be again alone, exasperated by the fresh provocation of being deserted by one of his own species." I think that the creature had every right to demand a companion, however I also think that Victor does have a right to deny him of this because of the unknown consequences. Whether he made the right choice, I am not certain because either circumstance has the potential to go wrong.
This has been a consistent theme throughout my comments on the blog, but I believe it is very applicable in nearly every respect.
The creature is seeking empathy. As Daniel said, he recognizes his isolation and feels miserable. As a result, the creature becomes malicious. The monster pleads, "You must create a female for me with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being (134)." I think this makes his intent clear. When we're at rock-bottom, it helps knowing that there's someone who can relate, someone who can empathize. The creature wants a mate who can feel his pain. This is an incredibly reasonable request. He just wants to know he's not alone.
I also think it is Victor's obligation to fulfill the creature's wish. After Victor's mistake, in order to counterbalance the guilt he feels, he must create a mate for the creature. His argument is that the uncertainty of the new creature's reaction to the world is too dangerous and risky. However, I believe that when paired with the original creature, the two would both be able to become more civilized. In fact, if Victor was truly regretful, he would aid the in the new creature's raising to ensure she does not experience the same fate as the original creature.
In conclusion, though the creature should never have been created in the first place, I think it is not only desirable, but obligatory for Victor to create a mate for the creature. Consequently, I believe the creature's argument is very reasonable.
I believe that yes, it was a valid request. Sadly, the reasons that he wanted a companion should have never been present in the first place. While Victor created the "monster" it was his responsibility to nurture him into society as well as as provide him an atmosphere conducive to learning about the world he lives in. Instead, Victor leave him, completely unattended, unaware of the world he was forced into. Therefore, I believe the monster was justified. His request was simply that he wanted someone that shared his struggles, and few joys. While the idea of having another " monster" or like minded creature running together could prove harmful, their is validity in his request. While as an outsider looking in ( or even if we were being placed in Victor's position) we can see the cons. Yet, throughout the story, the needs of the monster had been neglected, this was almost his time to regain basic needs.
As Jared said, everyone needs to feel as though they are not alone and even though the Monster's emotions were often put on the back-burner in the story, this request proved they did exist.
(Ch. 17) The creature argues to Victor that he needs a companion. He blames all of his evil actions on the fact that he was lonely. The monster thinks its his right to have a companion. Victor refuses, but the monster tells Victor that it is his responsibility as the creator to make him a woman. The monster promises Victor that he will take himself and the bride away to South America to hide from people. He says that if he has a companion that he will not be angry any more and wont kill anybody anymore. So Victor finally gives in to creating the bride of the monster.
ReplyDeleteI dont think that this argument is reasonable because he is not sure if the monster will stay true or not. I don't think that by getting a woman that he will stop from his old ways. I think that if Victor is hesitant at all and double thinks things that he shouldn't do it. Because he doesn't believe 100 percent that he can believe the monster.
Like Max said, the monster yearns for a companion because he is lonely and society will not accept him. He states that this is the reason for all his anger and having a bride will make all of that go away.
ReplyDeleteI think that the argument is reasonable because what the monster says is true, if he had gained a friend in the first place no one would have been killed, but everyone looked at him with disgust (except for the little girl), including Victor, his creator. Victor could have avoided trouble and despair if he had just created the bride.
The creature argues that Victor should create him a bride using gentle, non-violent reasoning. The creature is a very good speaker, because he seems to sense Victor's apprehensions and then dismiss them with assurances of his own. He says he desires a companion because "man would not associate with [him]" but "one as deformed and horrible as myself would not deny herself to me" He tells Victor that it is his duty as a creator to make a companion for him, and that he will return his benevolence "a hundred-fold." He begs Victor to "let him feel gratitude to [him] for one benefit"
ReplyDeleteI believe this argue is incredibly reasonable! If anything, I think the creature would actually have the right to be angry with Victor, but instead he calmly reasons with him. I think that as a creator/parent, Victor has the responsibility of companionship and guidance for the creature, but if he refuses to fulfill those responsibilities, the least he could do is provide a "replacement" companion for his creation.
The monster states that he is only "malicious because I am miserable" (129) and this is easily going back to the fact that he is not able to find any of man kind that is willing to be his companion, not even his creator is willing to give him love and acceptance despite his hideous figure, and he knows this because he himself states "you, my creator, would tear me to pieces and triumph." (129)
ReplyDeleteThe monster uses the fact of his "innocence" when explaining his argument to Victor, stating that he would easily love and care for a human if they were only to love and care for him in return; the monster relates to Victor that he would happily take care of a man that would offer him the same respect.
He reasons with the fact that with his companion being built he will no longer be a menace to society, stating, "for that one creature's sake I would make peace with the whole kind!"
His argument is reasonable and that Victor should deny at least this small happiness to his creation would be cruel. Victor owes the monster at least this last bit of happiness, for Victor was the one who created him and turned him away.
I agree with what Hieu and Max said that the creature does have a valid argument for Victor to create a bride for the creature. The creature views every wrong that he has committed is due to his isolation and rejection by mankind. I think that it is a valid request by the creature to ask for a bride because this would end the isolation that has been forced on the creature. This argument is so reasonable because Victor did bring this creature into the world, and it was Victor's responsibility to care for the creature. Instead Victor rejected his own creation and because of this the creature's isolation began. Because Victor did not take responsibility for his creation it is perfectly reasonable for him to make a companion for his creation.
ReplyDeleteWhile there is some validity in what the creature gives as reason for a wife, I tend to side with Victor. There seems to be better reasoning for the negative on this one. While the monster did have good intentions (and very might well have complied with his promise), there was no telling how the new creature would cope or react to the world around it. So, to an extent I agree with what everyone has said above, but I don't think we should discredit what Victor has to say. In some ways, it is more credible.
ReplyDeleteI believe that he does a valid argument, because then he would have someone that is in his same liking and that would care for him and relate to him, since no one else has ever been able to be that for him. Victor created a lonely monster, it's his responsibility to care for him. Just as a parent should care for their children. Although, having two of Victor's creatures on the loose could cause more problems than just one. Victor can't take the responsibility for that, so it's understandable also.
ReplyDeleteI would have to agree that there is no telling for sure that the monster is being honest. There obviously is a sense of urgency for the monster to have a spouse. The real issue is that another monster would be a negative thing. There is no way for sure to say that the monster will not go back on his word. While it may be believable that a spouse would satisfy the needs of the monster this is still rickety. Taking a logical bearing on it draws a few conclusions. The first is that this is a very valid argument because it is a logical idea. Lastly, a spouse seems to be one that would be able to satisfy the needs of the monster because that’s what he wants. The problem is that we cannot believe the creature because he has given us no reason to believe him. Thus this argument is not a reasonable one because there is no guarantee that the irrational creature will do what it says.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Hieu said in his earlier post but I also agree with Ashlyn’s side of it. The creature did feel isolated and lonely and a partner like him would be nice and give him a companion to live with. However, I believe that Victor was right on this one. He had no clue what the new monster was going to do in reaction to being born into this world. Also he didn’t know how the new creature would react to the same negative remarks and attitudes of society and whether or not she would kill more and more people just as the original creature had done.
ReplyDeleteThe creature had been completely isolated, shunned and scorned by human society. He was left to wander the land with not even one companion to accompany him during his lonely travels. This is why he is in such desperate need of partner just like him, which is why he asks Victor to create a new counterpart by saying, "You must create a female for me with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being (134)." The creature longs to share a deep connection with a being similar to his own, just as much as a normal person from society would want from their companions.
ReplyDeleteI think that his argument is a valid one. Why should he not wish for a companion after he had been cast out and shunned by every living being? All he has seen through his life is humans interacting with one another, loving each other, caring for each other, and living with each other. However when a human sees him, they either run and hide, or violently attack him. He wants happiness similar to that which he sees in others. He believes that the only thing that will bring him this happiness is a companion. He states on chapter 17, page 135, “This passion is detrimental to me, for you do not reflect that you are the cause of its excess. If any being felt emotions of benevolence towards me, I should return them a hundred and a hundred-fold; for that one creature’s sake I would make peace with the whole kind!” Since he was willing to reason with Victor and give him a solution to how they could all be happy, I think that this was pretty valid.
ReplyDeleteAlso in chapter 15 on page 120, it states, “The poor that stopped at their door were never driven away. I asked, it is true, for greater treasures than a little food or rest: I required kindness and sympathy; but I did not believe myself utterly unworthy of it.” This statement makes a point, there is no reason why the creature should be deprived of kindness from another being.
On the other hand, I also kind of think that the creature's request was a little bit naive. He gives many promises, but he does not know how everything is going to play out when he does get what he wants. In chapter 20, on page 155, Victor states, "He had sworn to quit the neighborhood of man and hide himself in the deserts, but she had not; and she, who in all probability was to become a thinking and reasoning animal, might refuse to comply with a compact made before her creation. They might even hate each other... she might quit him, and he be again alone, exasperated by the fresh provocation of being deserted by one of his own species." I think that the creature had every right to demand a companion, however I also think that Victor does have a right to deny him of this because of the unknown consequences. Whether he made the right choice, I am not certain because either circumstance has the potential to go wrong.
This has been a consistent theme throughout my comments on the blog, but I believe it is very applicable in nearly every respect.
ReplyDeleteThe creature is seeking empathy. As Daniel said, he recognizes his isolation and feels miserable. As a result, the creature becomes malicious. The monster pleads, "You must create a female for me with whom I can live in the interchange of those sympathies necessary for my being (134)." I think this makes his intent clear. When we're at rock-bottom, it helps knowing that there's someone who can relate, someone who can empathize. The creature wants a mate who can feel his pain. This is an incredibly reasonable request. He just wants to know he's not alone.
I also think it is Victor's obligation to fulfill the creature's wish. After Victor's mistake, in order to counterbalance the guilt he feels, he must create a mate for the creature. His argument is that the uncertainty of the new creature's reaction to the world is too dangerous and risky. However, I believe that when paired with the original creature, the two would both be able to become more civilized. In fact, if Victor was truly regretful, he would aid the in the new creature's raising to ensure she does not experience the same fate as the original creature.
In conclusion, though the creature should never have been created in the first place, I think it is not only desirable, but obligatory for Victor to create a mate for the creature. Consequently, I believe the creature's argument is very reasonable.
I believe that yes, it was a valid request. Sadly, the reasons that he wanted a companion should have never been present in the first place. While Victor created the "monster" it was his responsibility to nurture him into society as well as as provide him an atmosphere conducive to learning about the world he lives in. Instead, Victor leave him, completely unattended, unaware of the world he was forced into. Therefore, I believe the monster was justified. His request was simply that he wanted someone that shared his struggles, and few joys. While the idea of having another " monster" or like minded creature running together could prove harmful, their is validity in his request. While as an outsider looking in ( or even if we were being placed in Victor's position) we can see the cons. Yet, throughout the story, the needs of the monster had been neglected, this was almost his time to regain basic needs.
ReplyDeleteAs Jared said, everyone needs to feel as though they are not alone and even though the Monster's emotions were often put on the back-burner in the story, this request proved they did exist.